Planning for Paris, and calling an urgent sync-up
Hi folks, I put together a short agenda for our 1-hour slot in Paris here: https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/document/d/1vGWk3pu_w7NmSPHbcxZoUEgVb-4... Please request access as appropriate, and make comments there - on this thread. Text below. Since we're (by my count) missing 2 I-Ds, and the deadline for -00 drafts is the coming Monday, I think we need to sync up *soon* for making sure we all know who's doing what - I'll open a Google Hangout at 1900 CET TODAY (Thursday, March 1) (1000 Pacific, 1800 GMT) and see who is able to get in / attend. I'm free this evening, so if someone can do it a bit later, I can accomodate, but Friday is much harder - and Monday's too late for this. Sorry to rush things like this! Harald *IETF 83 - RTP Congestion Control agenda Date, time: ICCRG meeting, one hour out of Tuesday 1520-1810 Topic chair: Harald Alvestrand (unless other volunteer found) * Introducttion: The RTCWEB effort, and the traffic we expect it to generate - XX (5 min) o Doc: draft-??-requirements-00 * Nice behaviour for RTP-based services - Varun Singh, Colin Perkins (15 min) o Doc: draft-??-circuit-breakers-00 * A delay based congestion control candidate - Stefan Holmer (15 min) o Doc: draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-congetstion-01 * Feedback mechanisms that might be useful - Harald Alvestrand (5 min) o Doc: draft-alvestrand-rmcat-remb-00 * A possible WG charter: RMCAT (15 min) o Doc: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/evaluation/rmcat-charter.txt * Summary, conclusions, next steps (5 min) Goals of session (priority order, please change) 1. Stimulate interest in the work among people who know the area 2. Gather feedback on requirements 3. Gather feedback on the idea of delay-based algorithms: Caveats, tests needed 4. Gather feedback on charter proposal Things that need doing before the meeting * Write a requirements document (March 7). Volunteer: XX * Write the circuit breakers document (March 7). Volunteers: Colin and Varun * More? *
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 15:16, Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> wrote:
Hi folks,
I put together a short agenda for our 1-hour slot in Paris here:
https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/document/d/1vGWk3pu_w7NmSPHbcxZoUEgVb-4...
Please request access as appropriate, and make comments there - on this thread. Text below.
Since we're (by my count) missing 2 I-Ds, and the deadline for -00 drafts is the coming Monday, I think we need to sync up *soon* for making sure we all know who's doing what - I'll open a Google Hangout at 1900 CET TODAY (Thursday, March 1) (1000 Pacific, 1800 GMT) and see who is able to get in / attend. I'm free this evening, so if someone can do it a bit later, I can accomodate, but Friday is much harder - and Monday's too late for this.
I am available for this. [Snip!]
Things that need doing before the meeting
Write a requirements document (March 7). Volunteer: XX
There is a minimal set for RTCWEB in: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-rtp-usage-01#section-8 The discussion in the mails centered along those lines (http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/rtp-congestion/2011-October/000027.html onwards) For the new WG do we need broader requirements covering different types of use-cases (streaming, conversational, multiparty) and heterogeneous environments (DSL, WLAN, Satellite, Mobile)?
Write the circuit breakers document (March 7). Volunteers: Colin and Varun More?
Please try this URL: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/extras/talk.google.com/rtp-congestion On 03/01/2012 02:34 PM, Varun Singh wrote:
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 15:16, Harald Alvestrand<harald@alvestrand.no> wrote:
Hi folks,
I put together a short agenda for our 1-hour slot in Paris here:
https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/document/d/1vGWk3pu_w7NmSPHbcxZoUEgVb-4...
Please request access as appropriate, and make comments there - on this thread. Text below.
Since we're (by my count) missing 2 I-Ds, and the deadline for -00 drafts is the coming Monday, I think we need to sync up *soon* for making sure we all know who's doing what - I'll open a Google Hangout at 1900 CET TODAY (Thursday, March 1) (1000 Pacific, 1800 GMT) and see who is able to get in / attend. I'm free this evening, so if someone can do it a bit later, I can accomodate, but Friday is much harder - and Monday's too late for this. I am available for this.
[Snip!]
Things that need doing before the meeting
Write a requirements document (March 7). Volunteer: XX There is a minimal set for RTCWEB in: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-rtp-usage-01#section-8
The discussion in the mails centered along those lines (http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/rtp-congestion/2011-October/000027.html onwards)
For the new WG do we need broader requirements covering different types of use-cases (streaming, conversational, multiparty) and heterogeneous environments (DSL, WLAN, Satellite, Mobile)?
Write the circuit breakers document (March 7). Volunteers: Colin and Varun More?
Notes from the meeting: - Randell, Varun and I showed up, with a brief appearance from Jim Gettys - Randell promised to get some requirements together in note form by Friday; Harald promised to turn this into I-D form on Saturday and submit before the deadline - Varun confirmed that Colin and he would have a circuit breakers doc together by the deadline More notes in the document: https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/document/d/1vGWk3pu_w7NmSPHbcxZoUEgVb-4... Harald
Now that we've had a few days to think about this, I'm suggesting that we can send off this agenda proposal to the ICCRG chairs and/or the ICCRG mailing list. Does that sound good? If the circuit-breakers draft is coming today, we should wait until we have the real name of that, of course. On 03/01/2012 02:16 PM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
Hi folks,
I put together a short agenda for our 1-hour slot in Paris here:
https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/document/d/1vGWk3pu_w7NmSPHbcxZoUEgVb-4...
IETF 83 - RTP Congestion Control agenda Date, time: ICCRG meeting, one hour out of Tuesday 1520-1810 (likely 1710-1810) Topic chair: Harald Alvestrand Introducttion: The RTCWEB effort, and the traffic we expect to generate - Harald (10 min) - Doc: draft-ietf-rtcweb-overview-02 - Doc: draft-jesup-rtp-congestion-reqs-00 Nice behaviour for RTP-based services - Varun Singh, Colin Perkins (10 min) - Doc: draft-??-circuit-breakers-00 A delay based congestion control candidate - Stefan Holmer (15 min) - Doc: draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-congetstion-01 Feedback mechanisms that might be useful - Harald Alvestrand (5 min) - Doc: draft-alvestrand-rmcat-remb-00 A possible WG charter: RMCAT (15 min) - Doc: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/evaluation/rmcat-charter.txt Summary, conclusions, next steps (5 min)
On Mar 5, 2012, at 16:02, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
Now that we've had a few days to think about this, I'm suggesting that we can send off this agenda proposal to the ICCRG chairs and/or the ICCRG mailing list. Does that sound good?
Looks pretty ambitious to me in terms of topics for the given time. I wonder if it would make sense to drop the WG charter discussion? An IRTF meeting isn't really the ideal place to discuss chartering an IETF WG anyway. Lars
If the circuit-breakers draft is coming today, we should wait until we have the real name of that, of course.
On 03/01/2012 02:16 PM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
Hi folks,
I put together a short agenda for our 1-hour slot in Paris here:
https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/document/d/1vGWk3pu_w7NmSPHbcxZoUEgVb-4...
IETF 83 - RTP Congestion Control agenda
Date, time: ICCRG meeting, one hour out of Tuesday 1520-1810 (likely 1710-1810) Topic chair: Harald Alvestrand
Introducttion: The RTCWEB effort, and the traffic we expect to generate - Harald (10 min) - Doc: draft-ietf-rtcweb-overview-02 - Doc: draft-jesup-rtp-congestion-reqs-00 Nice behaviour for RTP-based services - Varun Singh, Colin Perkins (10 min) - Doc: draft-??-circuit-breakers-00 A delay based congestion control candidate - Stefan Holmer (15 min) - Doc: draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-congetstion-01 Feedback mechanisms that might be useful - Harald Alvestrand (5 min) - Doc: draft-alvestrand-rmcat-remb-00 A possible WG charter: RMCAT (15 min) - Doc: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/evaluation/rmcat-charter.txt Summary, conclusions, next steps (5 min)
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On 03/05/2012 04:55 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
On Mar 5, 2012, at 16:02, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
Now that we've had a few days to think about this, I'm suggesting that we can send off this agenda proposal to the ICCRG chairs and/or the ICCRG mailing list. Does that sound good? Looks pretty ambitious to me in terms of topics for the given time. It is - but I think we need all the pieces to make the picture complete enough for discussion. I wonder if it would make sense to drop the WG charter discussion? An IRTF meeting isn't really the ideal place to discuss chartering an IETF WG anyway. It's a chance to wave the charter in front of the community, and so gives us a somewhat better chance at having the IESG not say "wait till after Vancouver" when discussing group chartering. It's not the place for charter wordsmithing. Lars
If the circuit-breakers draft is coming today, we should wait until we have the real name of that, of course.
On 03/01/2012 02:16 PM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
Hi folks,
I put together a short agenda for our 1-hour slot in Paris here:
https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/document/d/1vGWk3pu_w7NmSPHbcxZoUEgVb-4...
IETF 83 - RTP Congestion Control agenda
Date, time: ICCRG meeting, one hour out of Tuesday 1520-1810 (likely 1710-1810) Topic chair: Harald Alvestrand
Introducttion: The RTCWEB effort, and the traffic we expect to generate - Harald (10 min) - Doc: draft-ietf-rtcweb-overview-02 - Doc: draft-jesup-rtp-congestion-reqs-00 Nice behaviour for RTP-based services - Varun Singh, Colin Perkins (10 min) - Doc: draft-??-circuit-breakers-00 A delay based congestion control candidate - Stefan Holmer (15 min) - Doc: draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-congetstion-01 Feedback mechanisms that might be useful - Harald Alvestrand (5 min) - Doc: draft-alvestrand-rmcat-remb-00 A possible WG charter: RMCAT (15 min) - Doc: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/evaluation/rmcat-charter.txt Summary, conclusions, next steps (5 min)
_______________________________________________ Rtp-congestion mailing list Rtp-congestion@alvestrand.no http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/rtp-congestion
On 3/5/2012 10:55 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
On Mar 5, 2012, at 16:02, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
Now that we've had a few days to think about this, I'm suggesting that we can send off this agenda proposal to the ICCRG chairs and/or the ICCRG mailing list. Does that sound good?
Looks pretty ambitious to me in terms of topics for the given time. I wonder if it would make sense to drop the WG charter discussion? An IRTF meeting isn't really the ideal place to discuss chartering an IETF WG anyway.
Agreed. I think beyond simply mentioning that there may be a WG in the future, actual discussion of a charter would be confusing and inappropriate for the IRTF ICCRG meeting. Speaking for myself, I don't see the presentations in the ICCRG as surrogates for a BoF; they're certainly a great place to raise awareness, look for feedback, and recruit help, but the BoF goals are somewhat different. -- Wes Eddy MTI Systems
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Wesley Eddy