FYI ... .the IAB is trying to get together a workshop (of the typical IAB format; people get invited if they contribute ideas beforehand) together before the Vancouver IETF, covering the same subject area as the RTP congestion work. This would have a goal, among other things, of getting people to think about the subject matter for our BOF/WG, and get people better informed (and interested!) before the BOF. The likely date is Saturday before the IETF (July 28), but this is not settled yet, so don't book tickets specifically for this until you hear the official announcement.... Harald