This discussion has been far too quiet for the last month or two while everyone's been busy with JSEP and implementations.... to recap the discussion in Taipei, the conclusions I noted for actions to be taken were: - define the circuit-breaker conditions "stop when you see this" (AVTCORE) - define the feedback messages for receiver bandwidth estimate and timestamps (AVTEXT) - create a working group for publishing the ideas and pushing a long term algorithm standard (TSV area) We had a charter circulated some time ago, but the IESG considered this and decided they would prefer to see a BOF first; we promptly followed up by missing the BOF deadline for Paris. What Wesley suggested earlier we discuss before the BOF, and prepare before the meeting, was: 1 - problem statement(s) (there are pieces of a few emails that could be a good start to this) 2 - requirements (again, there are a few emails that could be a starting point for this) 3 - proposed algorithms and other mechanisms (there is at least one I-D that fits this, more would be good, especially as there are multiple facets of the problem to be addressed) 4 - thoughts on how to test and evaluate algorithms (there seem to be less concrete thoughts on this so far?) So much for the recap. Query: Do we all agree that this is where we are?