Seeking co-moderators(s) of the ietf-types list
Hello, Bill Carpenter, who has long co-moderated the ietf-types list along with me, has asked to drop out of the role. At the same time, two events have emphasized the need for a co-moderator: - A couple of requests and comments got severely delayed in the moderator queue - I've scheduled a vacation for the month of April Together, these things clearly indicate that someone needs to be on hand to moderate the list - both when I'm here and when I'm gone. The lists run on Mailman, behind a spam filter, and with an ancillary script that deletes the more obvious spam from the queue. Still, there's spam coming through - unfortunately. Volunteers? thanks in advance! Harald
Perhaps a naive question, but why is this list moderated? Thanks. Mark. On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 01:56:43PM +0100, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
Hello,
Bill Carpenter, who has long co-moderated the ietf-types list along with me, has asked to drop out of the role.
At the same time, two events have emphasized the need for a co-moderator:
- A couple of requests and comments got severely delayed in the moderator queue - I've scheduled a vacation for the month of April
Together, these things clearly indicate that someone needs to be on hand to moderate the list - both when I'm here and when I'm gone.
The lists run on Mailman, behind a spam filter, and with an ancillary script that deletes the more obvious spam from the queue. Still, there's spam coming through - unfortunately.
Volunteers?
thanks in advance!
Harald
-- Mark Baker. Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA. http://www.markbaker.ca
Mark Baker wrote:
Perhaps a naive question, but why is this list moderated?
So that we don't have to receive lots of spam. I assume that this list is using the same rule as most other IETF related list. Subscriber has direct posting, non-subscriber is moderated. That way the moderator can ensure that only valid postings are let through to the list. Sure, it is not 100% secure, but it is a hell of a lot better than have to wade through the 10+ spam per day that anyway would reach the list despite filtering. Cheers Magnus Westerlund Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVA/A ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com
mb> Perhaps a naive question, but why is this list moderated? mw> So that we don't have to receive lots of spam. I assume that this Just so. It's undesirable to have moderation, but it's pragmatically necessary. Because it's an IETF list, Harald bends over backwards to keep away barriers from posting, invite free discussion, etc. However, just by the mere fact of having the posting address on various web sites, it attracts a *lot* of spam. mw> a lot better than have to wade through the 10+ spam per day that I long for the "good old days" when spam problems could be described in single or double digits. I haven't looked at the numbers lately, but it's likely the ietf-types "raw feed" is some 3-digit number of spams per day. Considering that in the average month there are probably only a dozen or so legitimate messages, well, you can see the situation is pretty bad. So, as noted, subscribers have direct posting rights (no moderation), and non-subscribers go to an administrator queue. It's obvious to a human what's legitimate and what's nonsense, but it's something that can't yet be turned over completely to automation. -- bill@carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter) PGP 0x91865119 38 95 1B 69 C9 C6 3D 25 73 46 32 04 69 D6 ED F3
Ok, thanks. I already spam-filter a handful of Wikis and mailing lists, so adding one more to the list wouldn't be a burden for me. Yes, that's an offer. 8-) Mark. On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:36:07AM -0800, WJCarpenter wrote:
mb> Perhaps a naive question, but why is this list moderated?
mw> So that we don't have to receive lots of spam. I assume that this
Just so. It's undesirable to have moderation, but it's pragmatically necessary. Because it's an IETF list, Harald bends over backwards to keep away barriers from posting, invite free discussion, etc. However, just by the mere fact of having the posting address on various web sites, it attracts a *lot* of spam.
mw> a lot better than have to wade through the 10+ spam per day that
I long for the "good old days" when spam problems could be described in single or double digits. I haven't looked at the numbers lately, but it's likely the ietf-types "raw feed" is some 3-digit number of spams per day. Considering that in the average month there are probably only a dozen or so legitimate messages, well, you can see the situation is pretty bad.
So, as noted, subscribers have direct posting rights (no moderation), and non-subscribers go to an administrator queue. It's obvious to a human what's legitimate and what's nonsense, but it's something that can't yet be turned over completely to automation. -- bill@carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter) PGP 0x91865119 38 95 1B 69 C9 C6 3D 25 73 46 32 04 69 D6 ED F3
-- Mark Baker. Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA. http://www.markbaker.ca
Thank you, Mark! Details in separate message.... and apologies for being slow! --On 24. januar 2005 12:57 -0500 Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org> wrote:
Ok, thanks.
I already spam-filter a handful of Wikis and mailing lists, so adding one more to the list wouldn't be a burden for me. Yes, that's an offer. 8-)
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